What if sam and john

Supernatural is in its final season, and that means fans finally get to see whether Sam and Dean Winchester get a happy ending. They certainly didn't get a happy start - from Sam being dosed with demon blood to the loss of their mother, to spending the rest of their lives on the road, hunting; being a Winchester is no easy road. And while they lost their mother early, the boys did at least have their father In fact, he was pretty awful at times. Whether or not bringing the boys into the hunter life was the right move, the way that John did it was awful - and not fair on his sons.

Of course, he later realizes this, and he was a man who struggled with loss his whole life. He was well-intentioned, and that is obvious in some of the sacrifices he makes for his kids This is going to come up over and over again, but it's so constant that it does actually deserve an entire entry.

Despite the fact that John teaches his kids how to hunt, and trusts them with incredibly dangerous weapons, he doesn't seem to trust them enough to be honest with them. He keeps things from them about their Mom and their lives, about his own hunts, and about how he feels - and even if honesty is difficult, this show may have been very different if John had just decided to truly trust his sons from the start.

Whether Sam and Dean occasionally dream of an easier life or not, there's no escaping the fact that they would never have survived so long if it wasn't for the excellent training that their Dad gave them. It's not just training in how to use weapons, or what specific items are needed to kill a particular monster, either. John taught them how to work a case, how to create and use fake government ID, how to find each other if they get separated, and how to use credit card fraud to support themselves.

He also taught Dean how to fix his car - and when they were living in it, that was a big deal. Turns out, Sam and Dean aren't John's only sons. In fact, Mr. Winchester had another son, by a different woman, long after Mary's death. When learning Adam was looking for his mother, Sam wanted to help Adam by teaching him how to hunt like their father taught him while arguing with Dean about not endangering the young man's chance at having a normal life.

Sam admits to Dean that he hated their father at times for his treatment of him, but slowly saw why he was hard on him and he needed to show Adam how to hunt. Sam later stated Adam was cursed simply for being a Winchester's son. After killing the ghoul that masqueraded as Adam, Sam finally understood why their father raised them the way he did and while burning the dead Adam's body he felt sad at his fate. Sam also took Dean's words about him and John being similar in stride, as Dean told him to take it in anyway.

He is told that like Lucifer he is "rebellious to daddy's little plan". Sam talking to younger John. Sam and young John have a moment together. Sam talks about his dad future John to John. John asks Sam how Sam knew about the supernatural and Sam tells John, his dad did. John wonders who would raise a child in this lifestyle and tells Sam his father was supposed to protect him not knowing he's talking about himself. Sam responds by telling John that his father was trying and died trying.

Sam tells John what he wanted to say before John died in Season 2. Sam talks about how he used to hate his father but now, Sam understands him which shows Sam and John are very alike more than Dean.

Like how his father was trying to keep it together after Sam's mother died. Sam tells John that he understands, why he did, what he did, and that Sam forgives him and loves him.

Fate, not being kind as it is, brought Michael along and he possessed John to kill Anna and resurrect Sam. Afterwards, he erased John's memory of ever meeting Sam. This event also caused Sam to worry about his fate with Lucifer since Michael got his father to say Yes. During Point of No Return , Sam told his half-brother Adam who was resurrected while John had faults he was still a good man.

He even stated John wished to protect Adam from the supernatural even if it did lead to Adam's death. In Swan Song , Sam demanded Lucifer resurrect his father and mother to get his consent but Lucifer refused. After meeting Henry Winchester , John's long-lost father, Sam was accepting of him even thinking his time traveling was the reason for Henry's supposed abandonment of his son. Sam even has Dean stop him from going back in time after Henry felt pain from reading John's journal detailing his life as a hunter as he feels that same pain every time he reads it.

When Henry witnesses the skill and ingenuity Sam and Dean display, it causes him to be proud of his son despite being a hunter, stating that although he didn't know John as a man, he knows he would've been proud of him due to Sam and Dean.

The experience with Henry causes Sam and Dean to see a new side to their father and wonder what life would've been like if Henry had never left John. Lucifer takes the form of a young John Winchester while appearing to Sam in a dream. Sam is not fooled since he knows John is dead. During Lebanon , Sam help Dean in trying to expel Michael from his mind while using a magic pearl but its effects cause John to appear.

John is hostile until he realizes who they are and learns that he was pulled into the future. Along with Dean, Sam happily updates his father on what's occurred before watching him reunite with Mary. Very soon, Sam and John talk with the latter apologizing for turning him away when he went to college. Sam tells his father that he forgave him long ago and the only thing that saddened him was his death.

Father and son shared a moment by hugging, finally making amends. After the dinner, Sam shares one last embrace with John and Sam destroys the pearl and John disappears back to Sam was sadden to witness this but accepted that it was the right choice. Meanwhile, John wakes up in the Impala during , seemingly believing the events were a dream, before telling Dean that he's coming home.

Though John was sent back to the past, it is hinted that he still remembers everything and is pleased with the outcome. Supernatural Wiki Explore. Season 6 Season 7. Season 8 Season 9 Season 10 Season Season 12 Season 13 Season 14 Season Explore Wikis Community Central. Register Don't have an account? Sam and John. Edit source History Talk 0. Do you like this video? Play Sound. You two were practically the same person. I mean, I worshipped the guy, y'know?

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After everything we've been through, all the time we've spent looking for you, please, I've gotta be a part of this fight. Clearly this fight is just starting, one we are all going to have our parts to play. For now you've gotta trust me son. John : "This isn't the life I wanted for you [ After your mother passed And all I cared about was keeping you boys alive. I wanted you Except somewhere along the line, I I stopped being your father and I became your drill sergeant.

So when you said you wanted to go away to school, all I could think about was, my only thought was that you were gonna be alone. Sammy, it just I just couldn't accept the fact that you and I were just different.

Not anymore. With what happened to Mom and Jess Can we not fight? You know, half the time we're fighting, I don't know what we're fighting about. He cared for his sons and willingly sacrificed himself to save them. Still, John remains a man of mystery - both in an intentional and unintentional way. Because he keeps so many things to himself, there are many things that don't make sense about him.

Either the answers will finally be revealed just before the series ends, or these will be left unanswered for the rest of time. John has been working for over 20 years in the supernatural hunter world. He has a journal that he fills with information and always takes with him.

If he uses the journal as often as Dean and Sam say he does and if he hunts as often as viewers are led to believe, then John should have multiple journals by now. It doesn't make sense that he has only one. Surely, there are others stocked away in secret hiding spots? In Season 14, John is brought to the present. Dean holds a magical pearl that is supposed to grant one's heart's desire. Of course, having John there wasn't what the brothers intended the pearl to do, but it was Dean's deepest desire.

This is a John from the past. By nature, John is a wary man. Yet, he both quickly believes that he time-traveled and trusts these future versions of his sons, and he believes that his long-lost father Henry also time-traveled. It's not common for John to be so accepting and trusting, so this stands out as peculiar. John is well-known to be a great hunter. While he's a loner, he still taps into a greater knowledge about the supernatural, which allows him to track the yellow-eyed demon.

He impresses even Ash with this ability. Yet, when it comes down to hunting, his focus is solely on killing and fighting. He's not like Dean, who recognizes that even monsters need to be saved sometimes. For John, his idea of the supernatural world is oddly very black and white.

He doesn't even seem to know or care that the demons he kills are possessing real people, who also die because of him. It's too bad that he didn't spend more time with Bobby, who could have taught him the nuances of being a good hunter. It's hard to pinpoint John's exact age in Supernatural.

At times, he seems barely older than his sons. Then his age seems to stall. However, when he is brought to Sam and Dean in Season 14, he is supposed to be coming from the year Yet, he doesn't closely resemble that John - in fact, he's so old that he looks like he came from